Club DSM Southwest
Project 4G64
There are two goals of project 4G64. The first is to take a 2.4L (non-turbo) 4G64 engine block and combine it with a 4G63 (turbo) head. The result, a 2.4L turbo charged DSM! This is 20% more displacement than the stock 2.0L 4G63 block. The theory is that this this conversion is that simple - putting a 4G63 head on a 4G64 block with custom pistons. While I'm at it, I'm also going to upgrade the A/T with a shift kit and end clutch to give the transmission firmer shifting and more durability to handle all the power we'll be making. I'm also going to do as many mods and improvements that are "easy" to do while the engine is out, and many basic mods such as gauges, intake, and BOV. The second goal of Project 4G64 is to perform the 97+ Eclipse conversion on the body of a 95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD A/T. This entails replacing the front and rear bumpers, headlights, and taillights.
The goal of this page is to document the entire process of the project including costs, vendors, and parts lists to provide guidance to anyone else who wants to do this. I'll try to be thorough and document all the little things that seem to crop up in big projects like this.
Detailed Plan:
Journal
6-17-02: Purchased basic tools and supplies to get going including jack stands and an engine stand.
6-20-02: Located a used 4G64 engine in town. Went to Mitsubishi dealer to order parts.
6-22-02: Rented a truck to pickup engine and engine hoist, and stripped used engine down to the block.
6-24-02: Visited Frontier Machine Shop to drop off block and order custom pistons and rods. Unofficial estimate is about one month to receive the custom parts.
7-14-02: Bought 1G (manual tranny) cams from a person on DSMTrader.com
7-20-02: Purchased a 95 Tsi AWD A/T that I've chosen to put the new engine into.
7-27-02: Performed most pre-removal steps as described in shop manual for engine removal. Removed hood, drained oil, coolant, and tranny fluid, removed radiator, intake and hoses, and under covers. No problems yet.
7-28-02: Removed more items, canister, most sensors and hoses. Mess is getting bigger. Parts everywhere. Plan is to remove engine without removing tranny.
8-5-02: Translab shift kit and Alto end clutch ordered from AT DSM Member.
8-9-02: Bought 1G head on DSMTrader. Ordered upper gasket kit to rebuild head with.
8-10-02: Decided to remove transmission also to make life easier. Also plan is to install shift kit and upgraded end clutch while tranny is out (although these can be installed without removing tranny). Having difficulty removing some bolts with hand tools. Decided to purchase air compressor and air tools to help.
8-11-02: Still having a hell of a time removing lower lateral arm on passenger side - can't get impact wrench square on the bolt. Only thing left is removing drive shafts from transmission and removing a/c compressor.
8-18-02 With the help of Mike Hanna, the engine is now removed! Crankshaft pulley and vehicle speed sensor damaged in the process.
8-25-02: Removed transmission from car completely, disassembled block completely. Bought Boost and EGT gauges.
8-26-02: Ordered parts for 1G head swap from dealer, and bought others from posters on DSMTrader.com.
9-1-02: Started installing gauges, detailing engine bay, Mike H brought by the parts he ported for me. Still waiting on parts to get that head rebuilt.
11-12-02: Finally got the engine! Frontier did the valve job and assembled the entire long block. Since the last update I've been doing minor work on the car. I ordered new axles from Raxles nad I wired the car for the new audio system and installed all of the gauges.
11-17-02: Thought I was going to get it installed but there was a day's worth of work just getting the short block in shape.
12-1-02: First attempt to install. Found torque converter would not mount up to engine because the crank hole is much shallower on the 4G64 crank. Need to get TC machined down a bit (see pictures).
12-15-02: Engine is installed on second attempt! Most items are hooked up, still waiting on a few minor parts. We should have it running in a few days now.
12-26-02: The complete setup is installed and ready to go. Cranks and starts on first attempt! No CEL! But oil is leaking like crazy. Inspection reveals a couple minor engine oil leaks, and a huge tranny oil leak. Looks like the plug for the tranny didn't hold. Out it comes! Didn't really get to drive it. It didn't move very well because of what I did to the TC.
1-18-03: Finally got a chance to pull the tranny. Machining and plugging the torque converter was a bad idea. That space is needed for a shaft to operate. Going to explore options for a performance or replacement TC!
1-26-03: I have decided on a Pro Torque TC. I have to send them my old one, they will upgrade it and fix what I did to it and send it back. It will be a few weeks.
11-26-06: UPDATE!!!! The reason why I let this page essentially die is that I have been plagued with problem after problem, and most of it started with the machine shop that I assembled and did the long block. DO NOT USE Frontier Machine Shop in Phoenix, AZ. I have encountered nothing but problems and have since had everything re-worked, but is seems that bad luck is plaguing this car. I DO NOT think it has anything to do with what I've done, just pure bad lack. I don't have journal entries, but since the last entry I've added an FMIC, DSM Link, different turbo, new fuel pump, and probably more. I think this thing is fully modded now. I'm not ready to sell it... yet... but I'm getting close!
Notes
I ended up with a 9.1:1 compression ratio with my setup.
The J&E Pistons are part number 201673 with a bore of 3.415, clearance of .0040, invdome depth of .245, comp dist of 1.385, and the pistons mass 344 grams. These figures are from the spec sheet I was given.
Frontier Machine shop will turn around heads and long blocks in just a few weeks. The reason it took so long on mine is I had them do a lot of custom stuff for the 1G head swap and there was a 6 week or more wait time for the custom pistons.
1G Head Swap issues not mentioned in RRE instructions:
When pulling and installing the engine, it's easiest to do it with both the engine and tranny together.
The bushing inside of the crank is replaceable. It's hard to get out, but it must be done. Then your tranny will just bolt right into place.
Expenses & Parts
Part |
Vendor |
Part Number |
List Price (each) |
Total Cost |
Optional Cost |
Recoverable Cost |
TOOLS/Misc. | ||||||
1000# Engine Stand |
Harbor Freight |
N/A |
49.99 |
- |
49.99 |
40.00 |
2Ton Foldable Shop Hoist |
Harbor Freight |
N/A |
169.99 |
- |
169.99 |
160.00 |
Load Balancer | Harbor Freight | N/A | 39.99 | - | 39.99 | 30.00 |
6Ton Jack Stands (pr) |
Harbor Freight |
N/A |
17.00 |
- |
17.00 |
- |
Tarp 8x10 (x2) |
Harbor Freight |
N/A |
2.99 |
- |
5.98 |
- |
4 - 4" 10M 1.25 Pitch Bolts for holding engine on stand | Ace Hardware | N/A | 1.89 | - | 7.56 | - |
ENGINE | ||||||
Used 4G64 Engine, includes $25 core charge |
Arizona Auto Parts, Phx, AZ |
N/A |
465.00 |
465.00 |
- |
200.00 |
Camshaft Sprocket #1 for 1994 Galant DOHC engine |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD189399 |
28.36 |
22.69 |
- | - |
Camshaft Sprocket #2 for 1994 Galant DOHC engine |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD300439 |
30.10 |
24.08 |
- | - |
Timing Belt for 1994 Galant DOHC engine |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD182292 |
88.43 |
70.74 |
- | - |
4G64 Head Gasket |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD189436 |
44.75 |
35.80 |
- | - |
Valve (Rocker) Cover Gasket |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD186784 |
31.61 |
25.29 |
- | - |
Half Moon |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD050536 |
4.42 |
3.54 |
- | - |
Spark Plug Gasket (4) |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD186785 |
6.99 |
22.36 |
- | - |
Eng Overhaul Gasket Kit, Upgraded to metal Head Gasket1 | Conicelli Mitsu | MD974635 | 231.36 | 173.52 | - | - |
Oil Pump2 | Frontier Machine | ? | 316.66 | 316.66 | - | - |
Gasket Set (Lower End) | Frontier Machine | NA | 71.50 | 71.50 | - | - |
Rod Bearing Set | Frontier Machine | NA | 38.88 | 38.88 | - | - |
Main Bearing Set | Frontier Machine | NA | 97.88 | 97.88 | - | - |
Total Seal Custom Gapless Ring Set | Frontier Machine | NA | 186.80 | 186.80 | - | - |
JE Custom Piston Set | Frontier Machine | JE 201673 | 631.00 | 631.00 | - | - |
Eagle H Beam Connecting Rod Set | Frontier Machine | NA | 410.00 | 410.00 | - | - |
Disassemble Short Block | Frontier Machine | NA | 60.00 | - | 60.00 | - |
Vat Cast Iron Block | Frontier Machine | NA | 55.79 | 55.79 | - | - |
Grind Crankshaft | Frontier Machine | NA | 87.17 | - | 87.17 | - |
Bore and Hone each Cylinder | Frontier Machine | NA | 17.42 | 69.68 | - | - |
Square Deck Block x4 | Frontier Machine | NA | 22.74 | 90.96 | - | - |
Modify (block) Oil/Cooling Passages | Frontier Machine | NA | 75.00 | 75.00 | - | - |
File Fit Ring | Frontier Machine | NA | 40.00 | 40.00 | - | - |
Assemble Long Block and misc parts | Frontier Machine | NA | 578.93 | 578.93 | - | - |
Intake Valves (8) | Conicelli Mitsu | MD127840 | 22.78 | - | 136.72 | - |
Exhaust Valves (8) | Conicelli Mitsu | MD127841 | 16.48 | - | 98.88 | - |
Mitsu Liquid Gasket (Oil Pan) | Conicelli Mitsu | MD970389 | 38.17 | 28.63 | - | - |
Balancer Belt | Conicelli Mitsu | MR984778 | 28.10 | 21.08 | - | - |
Balancer Tensioner | Conicelli Mitsu | MD352473 | 37.13 | 27.85 | - | - |
Timing Belt Pulley | Conicelli Mitsu | MD182537 | 26.45 | 19.84 | - | - |
Idler Pulley | Conicelli Mitsu | MD156604 | 32.77 | 24.58 | - | - |
Water Pump Kit | Conicelli Mitsu | MD972050 | 121.07 | 90.80 | - | - |
Timing Belt Tensioner | Conicelli Mitsu | MD308587 | 81.43 | 61.07 | - | - |
P/S Belt | Conicelli Mitsu | MD310617 | 7.88 | 5.91 | - | - |
A/C Belt | Conicelli Mitsu | MB568898 | 23.17 | 17.38 | - | - |
Alternator Belt | Conicelli Mitsu | MD186125 | 14.17 | 10.63 | - | - |
Oil (5qts) | Checker | NA | 1.25 | 6.25 | - | - |
Oil Filter | MitsubishiParts.cc | M/D325714 | 6.33 | 4.38 | - | - |
Vehicle Speed Sensor5 | Conicelli Mitsu | MD756606 | 59.75 | - | 44.81 | - |
Diamond Star ATF (8 qts) | Mark Mitsubishi | ACH1ZC1X05 | 4.27 | - | 34.16 | - |
Valve Job | Frontier | NA | 368.19 | 368.19 | - | - |
Replace Aluminum Guides | Frontier | NA | 6.29 | 75.48 | - | - |
Mill Head | Frontier | NA | 41.84 | 41.84 | - | - |
Pressure Test Head | Frontier | NA | 41.84 | - | 41.84 | - |
Install Valve Seat (1) | Frontier | NA | 21.62 | - | 21.62 | - |
Vat Misc Parts | Frontier | NA | 50.00 | - | 50.00 | - |
Valve Guides (12) | Frontier | NA | 3.83 | - | 45.96 | - |
Valve Seats (1) | Frontier | NA | 13.92 | - | 13.92 | - |
Crankshaft Blade | Mark Mitsubishi | MD187953 | 44.87 | - | 32.61 | - |
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UPGRADES | ||||||
Instrument Guage Bezel | Buscher Racing | 90280-AUT | 69.00 | - | 69.00 | - |
Boost Gauge | Loper's (Phoenix) | Autometer 3304 | 47.95 | - | 47.95 | - |
EGT Gauge & Probe | Loper's | Autometer 3344 | 124.95 | - | 124.95 | - |
Manual Boost Controller4 | Ebay Auction | N/A | 24.95 | - | 24.95 | - |
EVO O2 Housing3 | Conicelli Mitsu | EVOO2 | 165.16 | - | 123.87 | - |
EVO O2 Housing Gasket | Conicelli Mitsu | EVOO2GSKT | 5.92 | - | 4.44 | - |
Jet Hot 2000 Exh Manifold | Jet Hot | EM4C | 120.00 | - | 120.00 | - |
Dejon Tool Intake and IC pipes | Dejon Tool | Various | 389.85 | - | 389.85 | - |
Weld fitting for EGT gauge | Frontier | NA | 30.00 | - | 30.00 | - |
New axles, L&R | Raxles.com | C155L/R | 590.00 | - | 294.75 | - |
Dejon Tool 1G Sealed BOV | Dejon Tool | NA | 159.90 | - | 159.90 | - |
Powder Coat Valve Cover | Arizona Powder | NA | 34.05 | - | 34.05 | - |
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A/T UPGRADE | ||||||
Translab Shift Kit, Alto end clutch | AT DSM Member | Translab TL-175, Alto 059757 | 115.00 | - | 115.00 | - |
A/T Seal Kit7 | MitsubishiParts.cc | MD997956 | 65.91 | - | 41.44 | - |
Pro Torque TC |
Pro Torque |
PTC-CT10SS |
395.00 |
- | 395 | - |
Crank Bushing |
Mark Mitsubishi |
MD756767 |
8.21 |
- | 6.16 | - |
1G HEAD CONVERSION | ||||||
Used 1G Head | DSM Trader | NA | 125.00 | - | 125.00 | - |
Used 1G Intake manifold | DSM Trader | NA | 55.00 | - | 55.00 | - |
Used 1G Coil Pack | DSM Trader | NA | 50.00 | - | 50.00 | - |
Used 1G Turbo TB | DSM Trader | NA | 50.00 | - | 50.00 | - |
Big Water Pipe | Conicelli Mitsu | MD171059 | 49.53 | - | 37.15 | - |
U Shaped Water Pipe | Conicelli Mitsu | MD117764 | 14.18 | - | 10.64 | - |
Water Neck Assy.Upper | Conicelli Mitsu | MD190339 | 55.40 | - | 41.55 | - |
Water Neck Assy. Lower | Conicelli Mitsu | MD130457 | 19.30 | - | 14.48 | - |
95 Cam angle sensor5 | Conicelli Mitsu | MD300102 | 62.77 | - | 47.08 | - |
Exhaust Head Stud | Conicelli Mitsu | MS401428 | 1.17 | - | 0.88 | - |
Intake Head Studs (2) | Conicelli Mitsu | MF402585 | 0.90 | - | 0.68 | - |
Weld, grind, drill, tap cam sensor | Frontier | NA | 75.00 | - | 75.00 | - |
Weld plate for MAS on intake | Frontier | NA | 75.00 | - | 75.00 | - |
Threaded Nipple | Conicelli Mitsu | ?? | ?? | - | 5.00 | (approx) |
WHILE YOU'RE AT IT | ||||||
Front Motor Mount | Conicelli Mitsu | MB844275 | 36.83 | - | 27.62 | - |
Rear Motor Mount | Conicelli Mitsu | MB911266 | 43.23 | - | 32.42 | - |
Left (Dr) Motor Mount | Conicelli Mitsu | MB911270 | 54.32 | - | 40.74 | - |
Right (Pax) Motor Mount | Conicelli Mitsu | MD911274 | 47.77 | - | 35.83 | - |
Fuel Filter | Conicelli Mitsu | MB868457 | 22.92 | - | 17.19 | - |
PCV Valve | Conicelli Mitsu | MD024719 | 5.35 | - | 4.01 | - |
Thermostat | Conicelli Mitsu | MD997607 | 17.28 | - | 12.96 | - |
P/S Oil Bracket | Conicelli Mitsu | MB288989 | 10.12 | - | 7.59 | - |
Fuel Tank Cap | Conicelli Mitsu | MB504900 | 6.47 | - | 4.85 | - |
Larson Hose Kit, 1G Silver | RRE | Larson Hose | 42.00 | - | 42.00 | - |
New Battery | Sears | PS22830326 | 56.99 | - | 56.99 | - |
Injector O-rings | Bell Rd Mitsu | MD087060 | 2.57 | - | 10.28 | - |
NGK Spark Plugs (4) | BAP | 1128 | 4.29 | - | 17.16 | - |
Totals: |
About Prices:
1This was dumb, I ordered
the kit for a 1G head, I already had a 4G64 head gasket. I'll still make use of
it on my next project though. Kit includes valve seals, cam seals, and most of
your gaskets (intake, exhaust, head, oil line, etc). 97-99 Eclipse Conversion Detailed Plan: Purchase
97-99 front & rear bumpers, headlights, fog lights, Eclipse turbo spoiler,
Altezza tail lights. Customize Altezza center piece to function as reverse
lights, have reverse light holes in rear bumper filled in. Have paint shop fill
holes left by Talon spoiler and paint both bumpers. Journal Month of July:
Purchased left headlight and right headlight separately on Ebay. Purchased front
bumper from Auto Fit in Phoenix through AZGarage. Ordered spoiler
pre-painted from SpoilerDepot.com. Purchased rear bumper from guy on
DSMTrader.com. Ordered reverse lights from MitsubishiParts.cc. Ordered Altezza
lights from vendor on Ebay.
Pictures! Click the
picture to see the full size picture. Click 'Back' to
return.
2I should have supplied this and other Mitsu parts for
them and saved over 25%.
3EVO 7cm O2 housing chosen to replace stock O2
housing.
4Yes I know you
can get these cheaper.
5Broken part replacement. Doh!
7Includes Filter and
Gasket
97-99
Driver Headlight
Ebay
75.00
97-99 Pax
Headlight
Ebay
80.00
97-99 Front
Bumper.
AZGarage
187.00
97-99 Rear
Bumper
DSM
Trader
100.00
Eclipse
Turbo Spoiler, Painted
Spoiler
Depot.com
253.00
Reverse
Headlights (2)
Conicelli
Mitsubishi
MR296099
31.80
Altezza
Taillights
Ebay
Vendor
129.00
Fog Light
Covers
MitsubishiParts.cc
Before.
This is the last time this engine will be in one
piece.
Almost everything is off of it, off to the machine
shop we go.
The starting point. Bone Stock engine.
Got the engine out.
Close-up of firewall.
View of A/T tranny without engine
Old 4G63 Side View
Old 4G63 Front View
A/T Tranny, side view
A/T Tranny, oil pan removed.
1G vs. 2G Intake Manifold Comparison
Ported and Polished Exhaust Manifold Inlet. Thanks
Mike Hanna!
If you want him to port yours just
like this, send him an email: mikedaddyh@yahoo.com.
Ported Exhaust Manifold Outlet - Porting by Mike
Hanna
Ported and Polished O2 Housing Inlet - Porting by Mike
Hanna
Ported and Polished O2 Housing Oulet - Porting by Mike
Hanna
This is the 4G63 crank hole. Notice how deep it is
compared to the one below.
This is the 4G64 crank hole. Not quite as
deep.
This is the stock 95 Tsi AWD A/T torque converter
after it has been machined to fit the 4G64 crank.
If you look closely you can see why the holes on the
block had to be plugged. The 1G (and 2G) head don't cover these
holes!
This is the completed long block, ready to
go!
TC after I started it up and it started leaking. You
can see the shaft protruding. go!
Comparison of 1G and 2G throttle bodies. 1G is much
larger (60cm vs 52cm I believe).
As of Jan 27, this page is still under continuous improvement and update. Check back as the project proceeds and I spend more time on this page. Any questions can be emailed to ryan.denke@cox.net.
Last updated Nov 27, 2006